Tyler Jackson: do you just hate bottoms or what?
Brad: haha
Brad: shut up
Brad: "bottom" isn't a ... genre of... personality...
Brad: this is like
Brad: "Hey Tyler don't you just HATE gaffers?" "What?" "You know, gaffers, like, in movie production." "Uh-huh?" "Don't you just HATE them. And key grips! And best boys!"
Tyler Jackson: no
Tyler Jackson: it's not like that at all
Brad: it so is!
Tyler Jackson: tops and bottoms have defined personality traits
Tyler Jackson: i mean
Brad: you're using specialized terminology incorrectly.
Brad: no they don't. that's dumb.
Tyler Jackson: if other gay guys can spot a top or a bottom
Brad: that's just a sexual position.
Tyler Jackson: there must be something to it
Tyler Jackson: yes, but it's not like they switch it up
Brad: YOU'RE QUOTING FROM "I NOW PRONOUNCE YOU CHUCK AND LARRY"
Tyler Jackson: some gay guys are top
Tyler Jackson: some gay guys are bottom
Tyler Jackson: so wtf
Brad: that's not true.
Tyler Jackson: for the most part it is
Tyler Jackson: from my heterosexual understanding
Tyler Jackson: of it...
Brad: some gay guys also are both or neither or go from one to the other, because it's not a state it's not even a fixed thing like being left handed or right handed, it's just something you do.
Tyler Jackson: in prison...
Brad: hahahaha
Tyler Jackson: the girly guys are bottoms
Tyler Jackson: and the manly guys are tops
Brad: that's because it's prison.
Brad: they're not gay.
Tyler Jackson: that is confirmed by many prizon movies
Tyler Jackson: and OZ
Brad: Prisoners are not homosexuals.
Tyler Jackson: ?
Brad: That's like opportunism
Brad: it's like saying the people in the movie Alive were cannibals
Brad: You can't spot by personality what sexual position people like, you've got it backwards; in gay culture guys who prefer to be on bottom that are also retarded cultural sponges will feminize themselves (or something feminine guys will decide their bottoms before even having sex which is dumb) it's just a whole big retarded culture.
Brad: it's not like a natural law with exceptions here and there, it's a dumb arbitrary culture that's built on a fumbled rejection of traditional american culture.
Tyler Jackson: i see
Tyler Jackson: okay
Tyler Jackson: BUT
Tyler Jackson: why do most of the gay guys you hate HAPPEN to be bottoms
Tyler Jackson: ?
Brad: I hate people who are easily affected cultural sponges.
Brad: Do you think my total lack of culture or style or self branding is on accident? I mean, it KIND OF is, but it's also because I just really hate cultural artifacts, it doesn't matter what they represent. I don't like it when gays where cher shirts and I don't like it when teenage sad kids become goths and I don't like it when people grow ironic handle bar mustaches. It's all the same shit and it's so arbitrary and dishonest and patronizing. I mean you can use your personality and appearance to convey things to other people but when you choose to convey that you are a certain TYPE of person or convey some kind of symbol, instead of actually conveying your actual traits, it's fucking annoying and shallow.
Brad: So my hatred for gays pretty much stems from my general hatred towards pretty much every symbolic social group.
Tyler Jackson: i know brad
Tyler Jackson: but
Tyler Jackson: when you put so much hate in your heart
Tyler Jackson: you end up hating the world
Tyler Jackson: can't you just see other people as being in a certain place
Tyler Jackson: and meeting them there...
Tyler Jackson: ?
Tyler Jackson: it would make your life easier, wouldn't it?
Brad: "hate" is a word I use for comical effect and e-xaggeration. I've learned to compromise in recent years and meet people halfway, and I'm fine with having friends who are cultural sponges. But it's still something that annoys me, it's especially an issue with gays because it annoys me enough to where I know it would cause a core value rift between me and the other person making any sort of relationship infeasible which would be my whole reason for entering that sphere in the first place.
Tyler Jackson: i definitely feel that same way
Tyler Jackson: (not about gay guys)
Tyler Jackson: but about people in general
Brad: yeah I know.
Tyler Jackson: i once dated a girl who was like a total rich girl
Tyler Jackson: and it was fine for a while
Tyler Jackson: if i stopped thinking about things
Tyler Jackson: but at the end of the day, she wore a $15,000 rolex every day like it was nothing
Tyler Jackson: and then one day i realized that i was dating the kind of person that i actually despise
Tyler Jackson: but when you see people as individuals instead of the group they associate with - it's different
Brad: haha I saw this craigslist listing that was like "I'm a hipster socialist dirty hippy and I want to FUCK THS SHIT out of a spoiled blonde neocon bitch, and treat her like shit, and then never speak to her again, I just want to fuck her empty husk of a body knowing how much I hate her."
Tyler Jackson: hahaha that's horrible
Brad: I know, I do see people as individuals instead of the groups they associate themselves with, and as a trait of an individual, trying really hard to associate yourself with any group is displeasing
Brad: because it feels like I'm being lied to.
Brad: like they're trying really hard to put up a familiar facade so I think they're one of a handful of archetypes rather than just being like "hey, I'm a person, if you get to know me you'll find out more about me."
Tyler Jackson: yeah, but it all comes back to laziness
Brad: ACTUALLY, if you want to REALLY distill it, it's sort of my general problem with everything, including politics and religion. It's the problem of people wanting a fully fleshed out solution to a problem rather than taking things as they go.
Tyler Jackson: we would rather just understand things without taking the time to understand things
Brad: yes.
Brad: Rather than thinking about each thing as it comes up, people want to find a pre-constructed system and apply it to situations. No one is willing to accept that unknown variables exist, so they pretend they don't by super imposing systems that superficially solve the problem of the unknown by assuming or predicting things rather than accepting that they are unknown. If people could accept that there are certain unknown things, they wouldn't need mythologies that explain all the unknown aspects of nature, they wouldn't need structured, inter-connected polarized politics to make decisions, they would base each vote on their own values based on their own observations about the world, and they wouldn't feel the need to tell everyone "I am personality flavor #23" and then interpret everyone else they meet as "they must be personality flavor #12" based on symbols and shit, they would accept that they don't fully understand everyone the second they meet them.
Tyler Jackson: except me
Tyler Jackson: i pretty much understand everyone immediately
Tyler Jackson: know why?
Tyler Jackson: i can see the middle ground
Brad: that's not true.
Tyler Jackson: like - this person is personality flavour 12 40%
Brad: there are things about people you don't know when they meet them.
Brad: because they haven't told you yet.
Tyler Jackson: 30% personality flavour 22
Brad: or you haven't seen them say it.
Tyler Jackson: yeah yeah
Brad: or it hasn't come up.
Tyler Jackson: i know
Tyler Jackson: look
Tyler Jackson: i have to take kona for a rain walk
Tyler Jackson: and then read
Tyler Jackson: until i fall asleep
Tyler Jackson: but this has been the best im conversation we've ever had
Tyler Jackson: so have a great night
Tyler Jackson: and we'll talk soon
Brad: night.
May 17th